Chris and Dave can’t start with football, because the Milwaukee Brewers just won the World Series. Two Wisconsin guys who lived through 1982 take a few minutes to sit in it, including the thirteen-year-old who had to watch Game 7 surrounded by Cardinals fans and went home and cried. Then it’s back to a 27-19 win over Carolina that moves the Packers to 5 and 3 and the seventh seed, with all four NFC North teams currently in the playoff field.

The Brewers become the measuring stick, and not favorably. There’s admiration for a manager whose gut you can trust and an organization that uses every tool it has, set against a Packers team that won’t pivot off the run and an offensive line that may be beyond fixing this season. The conversation turns serious on Josh Jacobs, the new allegations, and what it means for an organization that sells itself on being community owned and different. Neither man pretends to know what happened, both wrestle with it honestly, and both land in roughly the same uncomfortable place. Elsewhere there’s real appreciation for what Jonathan Gannon’s defense is doing without Micah Parsons, worry about what happens when he returns, and continued exasperation at a team leading the league in drops and a kicker leading the league in misses.

The betting lines return after a week off, with a perfect ten out of ten getting one more round of applause and a plaque that cannot be screwed into the walls of the hotel and casino. There’s also a listener question up for a vote in the comments: should the show go back to the old theme music?

Next is Gillette Stadium on Sunday against a 5-3 Patriots team, where Chris promises a close shave and Christian Watson may be playing on a broken rib.

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Posting its first show in 2005, Packers Therapy is the longest-running Packers podcast on the Internet. Hosts Chris and Dave began the show as a way of capturing the spirited chats the two co-workers had about the team around the office. The two have no pretense about being experts: they are just two opinionated shareholders who love the team, follow it closely, but don’t always see the Packers fortunes eye to eye.

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